February 10, 2012

Your Turn: Another Response to Jeremiah Dumas

Robert J. Allen

To the Editor

This is in response to Alderman Jeremiah Dumas’ Starkville Daily News, Letter to the Editor, “It’s about the big picture” of 8/21/10. He explained in that letter that he was responding to many letters from people, in or around Starkville, who expressed concern and indignation that the ordinances he has supported impinge upon their property rights.
I wrote one of the letters (starkville-now.com, 8/10/10, “A Response to Alderman Dumas”) to which he is referring..

In his 8/21 letter he wrote (in quotations):

“It has been very interesting to read the writings of many in response to a single letter declaring a need for regulation in this community. As I stated, the regulation idea is not a matter of trees, but community health and quality of life.”
Here he minimizes, and misrepresents, our opposition to his policies. Our responses were not about trees. Our responses were about city ordinances that do, or would, restrict our property rights. Mr. Dumas is only USING bicycles, trees, “community health and quality of life.” to impose those restrictions.

“Much thought went into whether I needed to respond, but I am responding for the primary purpose of saying that I will not step down and that I feel even more compelled to ensure a higher quality of life…”
Mr. Dumas informs us that he gave our disagreements with him, “Much thought”. That detail is insightful, for we see that, after all that thought, he still wrote the threatening things to us that he wrote in his 8/21 letter. That he would ponder it all that “much,” and still write what he wrote, tells us that he meant exactly what he wrote. And that persuasion leads us to say back to him, “We feel even more compelled to ensure” that his socialist goals (against us and) this community do not succeed.

“…for the majority of this community who enjoy living in an (sic) properly planned community.”
And Mr. Dumas presumes to tell us what constitutes a “properly prepared community.” We have told him repeatedly that we like our community like it is…that we don’t want what he wants to “give” us. But, like the elitist that he is, he arrogantly tells us back that he is committed to “giving” it to us anyway – because HE knows better than WE do, what kind of community Starkville should be.

I am sorry, but I am afraid that those of you who value the freedom to do anything and everything that you wish on your property, you are in the wrong city, as well as in the wrong era.
Once again, Mr. Dumas distorts and exaggerates the truth to make it appear that he has a point. “The freedom to do anything and everything that you wish on your property” has NEVER existed, in the sense that one has never been free to commit murder, conspire to violently overthrow the government, harbor criminals, manufacture illegal drugs, and many other things on their own property. Nor are residents of Starkville seeking expansion of our home-based activities to include those things. We are only calling for a cessation of intervention, and the threat of intervention, on the part of city officials to those activities that have always been understood to be rights “in (this) city” (today) as well as in (any previous) era.”
And to see that he actually told us, “…you are in the wrong city…” HOW ARROGANT!

I am not in this fight alone.
Since Mr. Dumas gave his last letter “Much thought,” I think he really means to use that word… I think he just admitted that he has picked a “fight” with the people of Starkville. Mr. Dumas’ goals, actions, and his own words in this and previous letters, and in Board of Alderman meeting public statements I have heard him make (and which are archived on videotape) all combine to indicate to me that by “fight” he is not referring to a mere “political squabble,” but to a “personal” combative “duel” in which he has pitted his will against ours. We do not take kindly to the people we elected – people who work for US, not WE for THEM – saying they are in such a “fight” with us. As much as we regret this kind of talk, we will not allow the socialism he intends to force upon us to happen, and we say back to Mr. Dumas, “We oppose the socialism you are trying to impose upon Starkville, and we ‘are not in this fight alone’ either.”

This City hired a planner five years ago to conduct a comprehensive plan that was not only approved by the city administration of the time, but was vested in the community through a public process of data and information sharing and gathering and brainstorming.
In his letter, Mr. Dumas gave 12 “findings” listed in a “comprehensive plan” that a city “planner,” “a mayor and seven aldermen”, and 12 people of the “Planning and Zoning commission… produced and adopted.” The list sounds good – in their current vague and undefined form. The people of Starkville may actually want work done toward these items – once we know the details. But so far, as demonstrated by the freedom-restrictive bike and tree “details” the Board drew up, we are skeptical of the “details” they may come up with on the other items.

What does all this stuff mean? Well a group of 20 elected or appointed citizens, a planning staff, a group of hired professionals, and a public process found a lack of regulations, that we needed to be better at enforcing our regulations, that we had unattractive places, we don’t have enough revenue, we need to embrace bikes and pedestrians, and we need to be better stewards of the environment.
Mr. Dumas apparently thinks that the “stuff” that his committee of “20 elected or appointed citizens”, (and whatever other people they gathered around them) decides, “means” that the judgement and the wishes of the far greater number of “citizens” of Starkville do not matter. We disagree.

Are all these people Communist/Socialist/dictators?
No, “ALL of these people probably (are not) Communist/Socialist/dictators” But the issue is not “the political persuasion” of these people (important as that is, in its own right). The issue is “do the people of Starkville want to invest their tax dollars in, and yield their freedoms to, the ordinances city officials and their special-interest allies are trying to impose upon them?”
But, since he brought the side-track up, if even one of these people (Mr. Dumas perhaps?) IS a “Communist/Socialist/dictators,” is that acceptable in Mr. Dumas’s judgement? Do they “ALL” have to be “Communist/Socialist/dictators” before he thinks that warrants concern? The people of Starkville are a little more proactive than that. Most of us think that even ONE such person is too much.

I think not. These are people that care about Starkville.
Does Mr. Dumas think that “care” alone is all that is needed? Does he think that having “care” for something, even large, sincere, and genuine “care,” bestows upon the “caring” person some sort of error-free predisposition?… That if people “care,” they cannot make mistakes or show poor judgement? Reasonable people know better.
But not so fast Mr. Dumas…, WE care about Starkville too. Why does Mr. Dumas treat our “care” as if it does not matter? Like the elitist that he is, Mr. Dumas seems to think that the “care” of 40-50 special-interest citizens should, and does, carry more weight than does the “care” of hundreds or thousands of the rest of us. We disagree.

Are these Republicans/Democrats/moderates?
I find it interesting that he did not include “conservatives” in this list. Could it be that there were NO conservatives on this planning committee?… That the committee was stacked against us from the start?

“Yes, there were many of each…”
This “Republican” list is the same irrelevant bait-and-switch trick that he tried to pull in the “communist” list above. By listing these 6 affiliations, he wanted a reader of his letter to think, “Oh, that committee member is a Republican (or Democrat) like me, so I can trust him to have done right in whatever capacity he served in while on that committee.” But reasonable people know such thinking is nonsense. There are too many RINOs (Republican In Name Only) in office doing non-Republican things to give us confidence in the judgement of a person who calls himself a “Republican.” The same is true of those who call themselves Democrats. So Mr. Dumas’ list of 6 political persuasions in this application was irrational and deceitful.

“…and all of them had the best interest for the City of Starkville in mind and so do I.
Like the “caring” thing above, these people may have “had the best interest for the City of Starkville.” in their minds, but that is no guarantee that they show good judgement in deciding what is “best” for Starkville. Once again, it is the IMPLEMENTATION of these findings that is at issue. And so far, we don’t think the Board is “implementing” well – good intentions or not..
Also, Mr. Dumas exaggerates the facts here too. He writes “all of them had the best interest for the City of Starkville in mind” as if they were all in favor of what Mr. Dumas wants. But this insinuation is incorrect. I have attended some to the “public process” meetings Mr. Dumas mentioned above, and I have witnessed citizens and city officials alike disagreeing with, and even protesting, the socialistic efforts He, and others, are promoting. By Mr. Dumas’ own admission above, these people “had … in mind”…”the best interest for the City of Starkville” too.

“I commend all of them for their hard work, foresight, and ability to produce a document that offers a good framework for our growth and development
It is time to amend our comprehensive plan and regulations will be a significant part of the process.”
Mr. Dumas is clearly pleased with this document, but judging by the ordinances the Board of Aldermen have already written to implement parts of it, we suspect that this “comprehensive plan” is very much like another “comprehensive plan” we saw rammed through at the Federal level. Like that one, we suspect that, rather than “amend” it, the better approach is to “repeal, replace, and restore” things back to the way they were in the “era” before Mr. Dumas was elected to the Board of Aldermen.

“As the chairman of the comprehensive planning committee, I am glad to lead a committee…”
Speaking of committees, many of us counsel the members of the Board of Aldermen to give “Much thought” to whether or not they want to be identified with the things Mr. Dumas is advocating. If the members of the Board follow him much further in his socialistic advocacy, they may find their political identity and careers too closely identified with his. Come re-election time, they may not be able to disconnect when his political future experiences the anti-incumbent voter reaction that many liberals all across the nation are right now rightfully experiencing.

“…that is diverse, energetic, and most importantly, a group that knows and understands what it takes to get Starkville to the next level.”
We appreciate hard working energetic people too. But we wish people put their energy into supporting worthy goals. We are convinced socialistic policies are not “worthy,” and that a group that supports them is not “a group that knows and understands (reality and) what it takes to get Starkville to the next level.”
And “the next level” of WHAT! The next level of socialism?

“This group is a proud group of Americans who enjoy freedom, love Starkville, and are volunteering their time for the effort.”
If they are all of this, they have a very strange and mistaken way of trying to show it.
But we too are “a proud group of Americans who enjoy freedom, love Starkville, and we too “are volunteering (our) time for the effort.” of stopping the high-sounding liberal policies Mr. Dumas and others are promoting.
And yes, Mr. Dumas, it IS “about the big picture”. But, like so much of what liberals say, he does not define his terms. Liberals talked a lot about “change,” but didn’t define (admit) what KIND of “change” they were out to produce. And they told us often, “Yes, we can” but didn’t admit to WHAT “we can” do. And Mr. Dumas writes about “the next level” and the “big picture”. He does not identify what “big picture” he is talking “about.” We suspect the “big picture” he means is a new socialist one. But we intend to see that the “big picture” that prevails in Starkville is the good-old, traditional, home-town American picture that are once again recognizes and secures our property rights and personal freedoms

“We look forward to seeing you as part of our comprehensive plan amendment public process.”
We can make Mr. Dumas very happy here. He wants to see us… He WILL see us. We assure Mr. Dumas that he will see us in the “public process”:… more of us all the time, as more and more residents in, and around, Starkville become aware of the un-American socialist things he is trying to do to us.

Thank you.

Robert J. Allen
2136 Craig Springs Rd.
Sturgis, MS
465-6190

Robert J. Allen, is a local activist with the Starkville Tea Party. He is also father of former Ward 5 Alderman candidate Mike Allen. His website is found at www.robertjallen.org.

The opinions expressed in this column do not necessarily reflect the views of StarkvilleNow.com .

Comments

  1. Jeremiah Dumas says:

    Mr. Allen,

    As a resident of Sturgis, who is this “WE” you keep referencing? Also, as a line-by-line critic might insinuate, where did you get the answers to the many statements and generalities that you pose in this response in regards to “what people do or don’t want”?

    It might be valuable for us all to understand your methods of gaining all the answer that you so obviously have that are best for all the citizens of Starkville.

    Jeremiah

  2. Jeremy Murdock says:

    Mr. Allen,

    I respect your right to have your own opinion on these matters but I will say that I do not agree with a single part of your article. But as I mentioned, you have the right to your own opinion. I am not going to respond to the individual points in your article because I feel there is no room for a debate here. We are on totally different sides of the issue which is fine. However I did want to point out a few things and ask a question or two.

    You are free to have your own opinion; however I would like to ask a favor of you for future articles. Please stop assuming that the entire city of Starkville agrees with you. Your article is full of “We want ____, we don’t want ____.” That is absolutely not the case. Some people may not want certain things, but there are a lot of people that do want regulations and guidelines in this community. Your statement: “We have told him repeatedly that we like our community like it is…that we don’t want what he wants to “give” us” is completely false. I tell Mr. Dumas along with the other aldermen that I DO NOT like how our community is and that I do want better regulations in place. So please do not assume that everyone thinks like you do on these matters. I am a community planner and understand the issues at hand and the value of proper planning and design. I understand that ordinances are essential to providing a sustainable future for our community.

    Also remember that Mr. Dumas fairly won two elections to acquire his Ward 5 seat. So apparently there are enough citizens in Ward 5 that agree with his points. I for one do NOT regret my decision to vote for Alderman Dumas and I appreciate the work that he is doing. Our previous Boards chose to stand by and only be reactive to certain issues once they arose. I want a Board that is proactive and is willing to take on the difficult issues. I am proud of some of the aldermen on this Board who have been willing to tackle some difficult issues, all in an interest to better our community.

    One last question, I understand that you have family, business, etc. in Starkville, but since you are a resident of Sturgis, how do these issues directly affect you? You can cut all the trees that you want in the county. You do not have to build sidewalks or bike lanes in the county. You have the freedom to do most anything with your property in the county, which is exactly why I chose to live in the city. I live within the city limits because I want order and regulations in place to protect my property and help our community grow the correct way.

    Before you label me a socialist, liberal, or dictator, I am actually a conservative Republican that believes in local regulations and ordinances.

  3. Glen Bryant says:

    Mr. Allen,

    I, too, am a conservative and wish you would step away from the computer. Seriously. I fear your anger and personal animosity toward Alderman Dumas has impaired you capacity to think and express yourself in a rational way. On the internet, this type of vitriolic polemic is often referred to as “Wharrgarbl”. You can Google that word to find the picture of a dog that perfectly illustrates what many people think of when confronted by this sort of rhetoric. The thing is, we need people like you that are willing to boldly speak in defense of our Republic and I suspect there’s much that can be learned from someone like you that’s been around the block a few times. But, when the mere mention of regulation causes you to to start flinging words like Communism, Socialism, liberal, elitist and dictator, it becomes real easy to think of you as a wingnut and disregard you accordingly – not to mention the fact that it gives reason for those dismissive of your (and in some ways our) concerns reason to not take you (and us) seriously. This doesn’t help.

    All I’m saying is that reasonable people may reasonably disagree about what constitutes reasonable regulation. You just don’t sound real reasonable right now. I don’t agree with everything Dumas has done (you can take you helmet ordinance and shove it where the sun don’t shine), but I think there are more productive ways to disagree with him than by practically insinuating that he’s the second coming of Mao.

  4. Bethany says:

    Mr. Allen,

    Please remember – Mr. Dumas has a family. Though I can appreciate your position and right to disagree, I do not think this posting is appropriate or helpful. Reasonable people can agree to disagree without resorting to name calling. Whether you agree or disagree with the ordinances Mr. Dumas and other members of the BoA have passed, he is still a public servant. Giving much of his time to do what he believes many of the citizens of Starkville want. I am sorry that his (and many Starkville residents) beliefs are so radically different from yours. I suspect you can find some solace in the fact you do not live in his Ward or even in this City. As your posting highlights, it is often a thankless job. So, please do not assume to speak for me or my positions. I appreciate the time Mr. Dumas and all the BoA, Mayor and City Employees give to making Starkville a safe, productive, healthy community for all its residents.

  5. Dasha Radin says:

    Mr. Allen
    I found your post rather amusing – rather comical. While you have the right to express your opinion, you should know that given that you are a resident of Sturgis, the BoA members have no civic responsibility towards you. The people who were elected into the BoA serve and represent the citizens of Starkville, and the laws they pass (including the sidewalk ordinance) are de facto laws passed by the residents of Starkville. Your offensive and rather ignorant rant is reflective of your lack of understanding of government and the political process in general, and the fact that you are using this venue to further your personal political aspirations.

  6. Jesse English says:

    Besides echoing the sentiments of Mr. Murdock and others, I would like to call upon the editors of this website to more carefully consider the material they chose to post. While I understand the need for representation on both sides of an issue, I also strongly maintain that Starkville issues should be discussed among Starkville residents. Opinions of those who are not residents of Starkville should simply not be printed; publishing these sentiments constitutes artificially inflating a certain viewpoint and, in my opinion, is journalistically dishonest.. Titling this article “Your Turn” is a serious misrepresentation, as Mr. Allen, being a resident of Sturgis and not Starkville, has no “turn” on this issue. As I said, I understand the need for equal representation, but before a person’s viewpoint is presented as legitimate, please make an effort to ensure that the writer is part of the community that is being affected. Mr. Allen would surely agree with me when I say that residents of a community should deal with their own business and not suffer the attempted interventions of those outside it.

  7. Carrie C. says:

    Well, I guess I’ll leap into this fire. I do live in Starkville so by the comments left above, I can speak my own mind without, hopefully, being summarily dismissed. I think that some of the visions of Mr. Dumas are a little much and out of touch with everyone I have personally spoke with. I did vote for him and I DO regret it. I don’t agree with everything in this letter, but I am proud that someone has the moxie to speak out.

  8. ko says:

    Carrie C – I agree with your post. I voted for Mr. Dumas as well and I’m dumbfounded by his votes and views on this and other issues.

    Mr. Allen spoke clearly about his association with Starkville, so there’s really no need to attack him on that issue. I remember when Parker Wiseman was running for Mayor and there were PLENTY of outsiders trying to tell us what to think and how to vote, but wouldn’t admit who they were. Yes Carrie, Mr Allen has moxie. Dasha, the BOA does have a civic responsibility for those who work in our community and visit – we have 50,000 visitors on Saturday that the BOA has a civic responsibility towards.

    Remember that Dumas voted FOR apartments on Washington Street and voted AGAINST the local development of the University Inn. I’m not sure how that fits in to Dumas’ “big picture” view of Starkville.

  9. SNEditor says:

    The right to criticize elected officials isn’t defined in the Constitution as being locked to a geographical area. Allen can rail against any elected official he wants, regardless of whether he was eligible to vote for them. That’s one of the things that makes our form of government great. The Starkville Daily News must agree somewhat, as they printed this same letter a few days ago.

    While his letters may seem to be painfully long at times, some of his views do reflect some of the views of Dumas’ constituents. I live in Ward 5 and would hazard a guess that a contingent of the 50+ crowd (cough, cough Plantation Homes) in the ward aren’t very happy with Jeremiah.

    He’s my alderman and I would give him a B to B+ on his first year. I don’t agree with everything he is pursuing (or is painted as pursuing). Stirring up voter discontent over bike helmets and cutting trees is a waste of political capital in my book, when you have to build a consensus on millage rates, budget and the still unbuilt municipal complex. He and I have discussed that- along with his repressed leftist leanings and participation in the Shadow Government based in Sturgis that will consume us all. (Tongue planted firmly in cheek.)

    We have seen a learning curve across the board (no pun intended) with this Mayor and group of Aldermen. I do believe that they have the city’s best interests at heart- even Perkins. I just haven’t seen that one person who can bring people together and bridge the viewpoints to pull us in an unified direction. That unifying voice is what we have missed for so long.

    Robbie Coblentz, Warn 5 resident and managing editor, Starkville Now

  10. Craig Hill says:

    To all of the doubters…yes there is a conspiracy that disguises itself as being for “Progress” and “pushing our community foward,” yet whose ideas are the ones being pushed? You sheople had better open your eyes to the people making the policies and determine their goals before endorsing their leftist agenda. While America was DISTRACTED with the “Weiner” scandal…OBAMA signed an executive ORDER wanting to CONTROL the rural areas and farmland? ENOUGH ALREADY!!! URGENT….If you are “one of those” who still doesn’t believe Obama and leftists aren’t SEIZING CONTROL of more freedom and liberties, then pay attention to Executive Order 13575. This is an intrusion of the federal government to make sure that your property is being used the way that government thinks it should be used,

  11. Craig Hill says:

    Another issue that concerns me is Agenda 21, this seems to be right up Jeremiah Dumas’ alley as well

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